STPM Mathematics T, Mathematics S and Further Mathematics Syllabuses

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This website is a good website. Hereby I want to ask a question.... why so less people take further mathematics?
Is it hard? I cannot find even a single book for further mathematics STPM. Can anyone here give suggestion where can get the books?

As far as I know, Further Maths is harder than Pure Maths and Statistical Maths. Besides, since our government limits the number of subjects to be taken by STPM candidates to five, many Form 6 schools don't include Further Maths in the packages offered in the schools. Hence, there are only a few teachers teaching Further Maths in Malaysia. As a result, many STPM candidates don't take Further Maths because it'll be a big problem if they can't understand certain topics or concepts. The only Further Maths resource for them is the reference books.

Two of the recommended reference books for students taking Further Maths are Further Pure Mathematics by Brian and Gaulter Mark and Further Pure Mathematics by Bostock, L, Chandler, S and Rourke, C.

I would like to suggest you to order the Further Maths syllabus from Malaysian Examinations Council (MPM). It's RM4.00 per copy.

BTW, I still haven't decide to take Further Maths yet though it's end of September now. Are you a lower sixth former? Do you mind to leave your contact details like your email address or blog's url?

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Hi, I'm a form 5 student and just finished my SPM this year. Next year i'm planning goin into form 6 but i cant find a good smk which offer form 6. Do u have any good suggest of smk around klang valley???

Are there any PROPER text books for further maths?? I've seen these 2 books stated above- Further Pure Mathematics by Brian and Gaulter Mark and Further Pure Mathematics by Bostock, L, Chandler, S and Rourke, C when I was in MPH. All the while, these books are used for further maths?? Sigh. Should have bought it. Have to make a trip down to KL all the way from BP, Johor.

Actually, there is no the so-called "proper" textbook for every STPM subject including Further Mathematics. Unlike for primary and secondary education, Ministry of Education does not publish any textbook for Form Six. Sixth formers use reference books in class and at home. ;-)

Hi, i want to ask whether there are any book for STPM futher math (not A level futher math book). Other than that where i can find Futher Math past year?(I only have 2004 and 2005 )I have found almost every book shop around KL but still i haven't found one.

I already start studying Further Mathematics. I already buy the syllabus and books required to study Further Mathematics. If anyone want to study Further Mathematics, I suggest to buy books in Minerva Book Shop in KL, MPH Bookstore or other related book store that sell university level books.

Hi..
I'm planning to take Further Maths as my 5th subject this year but I haven't started studying it yet.I know a good tuition center which offers Further Maths. Is it ok to do so?

Recenty only i found this blog and i think it is great. Actually, what i want to know is how to study smart in Chem and Phy subjects? As i try many ways i think it doesn't work effectively. So, i'm here to ask for opinion. This year end will sit for STPM but seem that havn't well preprared for me.....

Hi..=)
I'm taking Math S as my 5th subject this year and I just started learning it a week ago.My original plan was to take Math T but my friend said T is harder than S..Do you think I can make it in just 1 year? My school doesn't offer Math and right now I'm relying on tuition to learn the subject..Sometimes I believe I can make it and sometimes I don't..What say you?

I believe you can make it too since you said "I believe I can make it".

Huh? I thought STPM Maths T is for Science stream students whereas Maths S is for Art stream students. So, if you are an Art stream student, you can only choose to take Maths S as your fifth subject if you want to. I might be wrong. STPM registration is undergoing now. So, make sure you go for what you have decided and registered.

I wanted to take STPM Further Maths T last year. But after considering all my strengths and weaknesses, I decided not to take it. However, it really depends on your own strengths and weaknesses. Also, time management is another important things to consider before taking fifth subject.

Good luck ;-)

Sidenote: Please note that to take STPM Further Maths T, one must take Maths T.

hi.....im now currently waiting for my spm result which is coming out soon.i want to know more bout form 6...erm....according to your post...u wrote maths T and math S cannot be taken by STPM candidate at the same time. i heard from one of my friend, he clamied that as a form 6 student..we must study both of the subject. im abit confused over this.

Hi adeline,

"as a form 6 student..we must study both of the subject[s]" is completely wrong.

Firstly, Maths is not a compulsory STPM subject. In other words, there are many form 6 art stream students who don't take Maths. Maths T is taken by science stream students while Maths S is taken by some art stream students.

I've checked Peperiksaan STPM 2007 Arahan dan Panduan Pendaftaran Calon Sekolah/Institusi and found this:
"(1) Mata pelajaran 950 [Mathematics S] tidak boleh diambil bersama dengan 954 [Mathematics T] atau 956 [Further Mathematics T].
(2) Mata pelajaran 956 [Further Mathematics T] hanya boleh diambil bersama dengan 954 [Mathematics T]."

So, I'm sure that your friend was not taking both Maths T and Maths S, he/she wrongly thought that he/she was taking both subjects actually. This is because the topics examined in Paper 1 (the first 8 topics) are the same for both Maths T and Maths S. So most of the Paper 1 reference books available in the bookstore will read "this book is suitable for STPM Maths T and STPM Maths S". I think this is the reason why your friend was confused.

i am also awaiting my SPM results. i'm currently unsure whether to take STPM or A Levels after this.. and there's the London board and also the Cambridge board A Levels.. from what i enquire, both are recognised, but one of my friend says that the London board is not recognised.. i really wanted to go for the London one cause the examination method is more appealing to me since it is conducted in units.. so may i ask what are the differences between London A Levels and the Cambridge one?

I'm new in this blog. I've read one of the comments and it stated that there are books about further mathematics T available in Minerva, MPH and etc. My question is, do i have to read the university-levels book which is about further mathematics T??? Or i only just have to refer the syllabus which provided by MPM and study??

What's the different between Mathematics T and Further Mathematics T? I'd heard all the time that further mathematics is harder than maths T, is it true? or both of them have the same of difficulty??

The topics covered (syllabus) for STPM Maths T and STPM Further Maths T is different.

Yes, Further Maths T is harder than Maths T. No, I don't take Further Maths T but this is what I've heard. If you think Maths T is hard, then logically Further Maths T is harder.

Hi,I'm new here,i would like to ask u guys a question.
I was an art stream student,but i took additional mathematics in form 5 and got an "A",I'm interested to mathematics,so if i enter form 6,could i take Maths T n further maths?

You can if you take science stream in form 6. (Maths T is usually offered for science stream student)

Although it is 'possible' for an SPM art stream student to switch to science stream (read it somewhere before) in STPM, you'll need to work hard as you'll learn a more detailed science subject(s)...

hey chong, i am new here.Btw how could i get the STPM pass year paper for futher maths.I was inform that the pass year paper is very useful in helping the process of studying further maths.Anyone who has the pass year paper or knows how to get it.pls share with us.Thx alot.

Hi, any 1 know which school around kl/ selangor offer further maths? I had a very hard time finding 1..
Thanks!

Hi, I'm sitting for my STPM tis year and would like to ask how can i get the trial exam paper for Chem,Phy, Maths and PA from all the states? Thanks alot ~~

Greetings, everyone.

I think Further Mathematics T is hard because of the lack/rarity of a one-stop book. The other science-stream subjects have many (comprehensive) books geared towards STPM.

I'm a private student taking only two subjects, Math T and Further Math T (2007).

Mathematics T is more "handle-able". Reference books and model papers abound.

Not like Further Maths. My only question bank is the Majlis Peperiksaan Malaysia publication of 2005 and 2006 papers. Since no mark scheme is included, I'm still struggling with several Uni-level books, Wikipedia, and MathWorld.

I love Maths!
(Hope it keeps me going!)

nice to meet u creski.I am taking further maths too.Can we share the papers because it will really benefit both of us and i have some of the pass year papers too.pls reply if u can

Oh hello, Liew! Sorry...I just visited this site today; and I couldn't find your e-mail anywhere; and Further Mathematics T Paper 1 is starting in less than 2 hours!

Well, I'll be glad to share the papers. Contact my MSN:
creski at hotmail dot com.

Or drop a comment on my blog.

Hi , I am SPM Candidate 2007 and waiting for the result at March 2008 , well, i don't know how hard the Math T and the Further Math T is, but i really want try studying Further Maths T, is it very useful for our future ??

And i really scare to take Further Maths T , it might causes a lot of hardwork or trouble if we cant understand the TOPICS and concepts that i read the msg above , besides FORM 6 isn't EASY as SPM level , thats what i felt , so i need some advice , i scare i cannot catch up all the 5 subject , which the FURTHER MATHS T is the 5th subject.

Hi TomYamSup,

First, make sure that you really want to take STPM first. Because if you don't give your best, then it's going to be disappointing.

If you want to know what's covered in STPM Further Mathematics T, I can send you some past exam papers.

For me, it was hard.
(My result will come out in March 08.)

To succeed, you will need:
1. A very strong interest in Math (passion)
2. Good Math ability (get A for Maths and Add Maths in SPM)
3. A very good teacher
4. Lots of practice

I didn't have #3 and #4, so it caused me some trouble.

And you are right, STPM isn't as easy as SPM.

So is Further Math useful? I think it's good for those who want to study Actuarial Science, Engineering, or Mathematics in University. But I'm not sure.

Feel free to give your opinion.

Hi , Cresky ,Thanks for the FAST reply , it seems all of the posts here look outdated a little , and thanks for the advice you give , and you are right ,
strong interest is needed to take Further Maths T , but my school didnt even have a teacher for teaching the Further Math T , and didnt have any tuition here(Kelantan)..

Well , according to #3 , dont care its a Bad teacher or a Good teacher , did you have any tuition or teacher that teach Further Math T there , How you study for it, from books?? Whats your result Math T and further Math T in Trial Exam ?? If can ,tell me some of your result that you take for your past paper in Further Maths T

I'm sorry for asking too much ,but i would like to know more about it.. so i can prepare for it ..
And Hope You will get a good result for your STPM ..

Thanks , =)

Hi again TomYamSup,

Do e-mail me at: creski at gmail dot com for more questions

And if you look at my previous post, you'll see that my case is rather special.

I took STPM leisurely (for fun) as a private candidate. Two subjects only: Math T and F Math T.

Which means that I was my own teacher.

Fortunately, I've got 2005 and 2006 past papers, and also the official syllabus (plus sample paper) from Lembaga Peperiksaan.

Unfortunately, no answers are provided (for all three papers). I had to figure out the solutions from books and the Internet.

Cheers =)

And I've got my Further Mathematics result. Just ask me if you'd like to know.

And here's a link to an A-scorer's blog:
http://ngxinzhaomonk.blogspot.com/2008/03/stpm-results.html

I plan to take further math. Can anyone upload the question please. Thx

Is the syllabus of Further Mathematics T stated here the same with the RM 4 syllabus book of Malaysia Examination Council? I am a SPM leaver and planned to take this subject in Form 6.

Yes, this is the same syllabus as written in the syllabus book of Malaysian Examinations Council. However, I strongly recommend you to buy the syllabus books as they are more complete with more info like exam paper format etc.

Hi...I am new is this blog...sorry if anything goes wrong...
I just finish my SPM in 2007 and I got 8A1,1A2,1B3...but dont know whether should choose to go Form 6 or A level or any other path...
I like math a lot,but can't find a best way to continue my study on the mathematics...
can you help me on this?please give me some suggestion...thanks a lot...
u can reply me by email:dsquid_90 at hotmail dot com

thanks a lot

im interested in furthering my studies in form 6. i read all the comments & find it very helpful. i gonna take the science stream (biology) but im just wondering is it possible for me to switch from mathematics T to mathematics S? is it compulsory to take mathematics T in science stream?

*Jake*

Hello fellas. I have a few (digital) FM papers with me. Email me: creski at gmail dot com if you want them.

I'll try to respond within a week.

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To *Jake*, I think you can take Math S (instead of T) in Science stream. But why would you want to do that?

Hi everyone...
This site is really great! I really appreciate you guys for posting so much on Further Maths T... But i have some questions...
Especially to creski, can you tell me some suggested links on the internet about further maths? especially on the topics Logic & Proof, recurrence relations, X2 tests and hypothesis testings...
I really appreciate your replies. Thnx...

Hi John S,

I haven't found anything that focuses on STPM Further Math on the web.

Are you taking STPM? Have you got a teacher?

Because that's the most basic way to master this subject.

About LOGIC & PROOF, it's fun to learn, but it does not represent many marks on the exam. Learn about the negation, converse, and contrapositive of an implication. And proof by induction.

http://www.jimloy.com/logic/symbolic.htm
http://www.regentsprep.org/rEGENTS/MATH/math-topic.cfm?TopicCode=relcond

For RECURRENCE RELATIONS, I think I learned mainly from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrence_relation

As well as from some video lectures (search for ArsDigita University).

For CHI SQUARED, HYPOTHESIS TESTS, and all the other statistics, well, good luck finding a website that gives you all the necessary techniques.

I actually learned those in class for my IB Math. The book we used was "A Concise Course in A-Level Statistics".

As a final word, learning from the web needs a bit of caution. Often, we are given too much to learn. Like this one:
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Chi-SquaredTest.html

Several sites, like that one, contain unnecessary material.

So have fun finding the ones which do help.

Thanks Creski... I really appreciate you...
I am a lower six student from Johor... I heard that last year there was only 2 students in Johor who took Further Maths... I don't have a further maths teacher... and i am looking for further maths teachers who could send further maths notes by post... And i'll pay... somehow?

i'm someone new whose very interested to in maths...furthermore,i want to expand my skills by considering in taking further maths as my 5th subject but d problem that i'm facing now is d lack in books n stuffs... d most important of all is now i'm also unable to find any teacher in ipoh who were willing to teach further math...may u guys help me..................pls...it's my hope....

Hey people,

1. Further Maths T Syllabus:
http://www.mpm.edu.my/main.php?Content=vertsections&SubVertSectionID=67&VertSectionID=54&CurLocation=54&IID=&Page=1
It provides a sample paper and the names of reference books.

2. Want your further maths questions answered?
http://cwooi.com/
This is a web site of a former further maths teacher, and here you can download Further maths past year papers.

Hope that helps. :)

hi,i am just an ordinary spm08 ex-candidates and waiting for the spm result.i am truelly sorry for my unproper english and my poor spelling and grammar in my comment.i know my comment may propabily removed but i just want to say to the people in this blog that you guy's really done a noble job by helping other students no matter how or who.if i am 'ready',i will definately joining you guys.i hope that you people will still carrie on what are you doing.your information really help me.thank you is only effort that i can say.

hello , iam an spm 2008 student,who is interested in in taking further maths t.

is there any futher maths teacher in negeri sembilan?

which is the best stpm school in negeri sembilan

hi..im a lower6 student dis year..
i would like to ask..
math S is needed for wat course?
i mean after stpm..math S is used for?..

eg: if wanna b a lawyer..sej is needed.then hw bout math S?..
thanks..


*min*

Hi everyone...i m new here.
currently i m upper 6 student, i got my math-s result. it really dissapointed me (Math-s paper 1). i got only 18/100 for paper 1 and 70/100 for paper 2 (usually paper2 is much more easier thn paper1). Hereby, i m searching for help from ex Math-s student.
no doubt, it is because of my understanding level is very low... i dont understand well during the lesson (after teacher is re-teach the chapter.)

hi..
can anyone tell me what is difference between math t,math s and further math t?
thankz

did anyone know the website for mathematics T exercises and notes?please!anyone can help?i want to know it!!!

errr, i wanna ask, how come i'm studying math T and also math S&T where math S&T wasnt stated as da actual syllabus?

i want to ask a stupid question
i'm new in lower six
since i'm lousy in my math
my papers always end up with a lot of liquid paper
i just wonder can i simply use pencil to answer the quetion in the actual stpm math paper?

Math S & T
Math T(Science) Stress more on calculus and differentiations and integration and all key components to study in Uni(Science Course)
Match S(Arts) Stress more on graphs and less complex calculations(For subjects related 2 arts in Uni)
Note: Both Math S and T paper 1 is the same.

Replies:
-According 2 my teacher, if u dont have Math although u get 4.0 u can face a bit trouble whn apply for Law or Business or Accountancy. Its quite easy to get 4.0 in arts but not in science.
-Private study math is not hard. all referance book is a good guide. you need to DO MORE to be pro.
-Never EVER use pencil except for graphs and drawings and diagrams you will be penalize for using pencil for d whole paper. Only black n blue pens allowed.
-For Further Math, i dont advice taking it unless u are very interested and have VERY STRONG BASICS. trust me, at some point in d syllabus in Math T u already have d idea of quitting.

If u still have questions and doubts, add me in msn. adress is below. I'll try my best to help.

******P/S: I need STPM 2008 Math T questions, any1 have pls kindly email me at thamcb@hotmail.com