tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post7294426392906104934..comments2024-03-15T17:35:03.278+08:00Comments on Malaysia Students: Of Professional Qualifications and DegreesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-59562305675793974652016-08-29T21:28:19.682+08:002016-08-29T21:28:19.682+08:00CIMA is a professional degree as well. It's th...CIMA is a professional degree as well. It's the most demanding qualification all over the world on Accountancy. Therefore, the cima certificate is highly valuable. cima certificatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-45642960382994789952015-06-25T18:05:55.117+08:002015-06-25T18:05:55.117+08:00I am also agree with that professional degree is b...I am also agree with that professional degree is better than the normal education. I have a target to do CFA (Chartered Financial Accountants). I love accountancy. Thanks for valuable info.Accounting degreenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-87006112256493542762014-09-20T19:01:51.916+08:002014-09-20T19:01:51.916+08:00please dont confuse others.....hmmmmplease dont confuse others.....hmmmmAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398832073490979462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-29036503063893753322014-09-20T18:58:57.955+08:002014-09-20T18:58:57.955+08:00True, academic degrees have different levels, but ...True, academic degrees have different levels, but professionals are legally defined, meaning regulated under the laws- like Medical Act, Legal Act Engineer Act, Accounting Act etc. Irrespective of masters or PhD degrees, they are not professional, unless they are specific laws that defined the degree as such (professional). Professionals are regulated by the respective bodies under their respective laws.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398832073490979462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-41093587698023000242012-06-23T06:42:55.371+08:002012-06-23T06:42:55.371+08:00hye guys...currently im doing foundation in busine...hye guys...currently im doing foundation in business in a private uni,,,later i wanna do degree in accounting...but im confused a about the acca n mia...could anyone help me which one to choose and where to pursue my degree???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-37544703486745353852011-06-25T17:43:35.950+08:002011-06-25T17:43:35.950+08:00hi guy, i from tarc student i will finish my diplo...hi guy, i from tarc student i will finish my diploma in business administration after 2mth but i still confuse which way i wan to choose after this.need some help and advise?<br /><br />i confuse about the ICSA cert and bachelor degree of business administration.can i know that which level is higher?and personally i more interest in finance and management,i will finish my study after get the ICSA cert or bachelor degree of business finance so can i know which way is better for mi to choose?I’M 阳 じゅhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07929357926934461303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-80164189903111445302011-01-29T23:34:58.338+08:002011-01-29T23:34:58.338+08:00if i'm not mistaken actuarial science also hav...if i'm not mistaken actuarial science also have professional qualification...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-56534193783391657572010-09-25T20:51:16.226+08:002010-09-25T20:51:16.226+08:00hello.. i have my cat qualification n currently pe...hello.. i have my cat qualification n currently persuing acca.. but suddendly i want to stop my acca because i didn't pass most of my papers.. so, i'm considering of taking degree in accounting.. where can i continue my degree if i don't have my diploma n only cat?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-4135504192148559322010-06-13T01:33:49.150+08:002010-06-13T01:33:49.150+08:00hi,i have a huge problem...now im doing foundation...hi,i have a huge problem...now im doing foundation in law,which i started to like but then suddenly i was offerred to study economy by JPA(Jabatan Perkhidmatan Awam) in the same university...i was very confuse because if i take law ,i'll be using PTPTN loan and if i take JPA scholarship,i have to change my course to economy...in your opinion which course is better and have huge job prospect?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-336362705877180612010-02-24T18:03:07.759+08:002010-02-24T18:03:07.759+08:00Dear All,
I would like to comments on the ACCA an...Dear All,<br /><br />I would like to comments on the ACCA and whatever local uni offered Bachelor in Accounting course loop hole. Its kind of sad to know that our MIA is not doing professionally by simply allow their own kind to be member of MIA. Because they only said yes to, whoever took public degree in Accounting from local Public Uni is recognized by MIA.<br /><br />But its takes years for a fellow full/part timer to get full ACCA from UK. Because everyone know even the so called ACCA member of examiner, they said in their ACCA examination report....the student fail to understand the question, the student unable to answer due to the lack knowledge & so on. Making it tough to pass the paper. ACCA examiner is bloody protecting their own rice bowl. WHY coz the ACCA examiner is/are certified accountant!. Too many certified accountant will spoil their own business!. <br /><br />So, 2 thing here we need to adress, going thru ACCA is hell not going to make u a certified Accountant, but thru Local Public UNI u can. But remember the quota practice! 70% is BUMIS n the remaining is non BUMIS. How are we going to struggle to get admitted???<br /><br />Conclusion, go thru local public seem to be the viable option!. But remember, in overseas accountant association doesn't recognized our local uni Degree in Accounting. That means u r stranded in Malaysia! and become 1 MALAYSI!.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-61655134439856019022008-09-25T16:49:00.000+08:002008-09-25T16:49:00.000+08:00To Gene and those who are interested to become acc...To Gene and those who are interested to become accountant, please visit Malaysian Institute of Accountants ("MIA") web site at www.mia.org.my <BR/><BR/>Accountants in Malaysia are governed by MIA as well as Accountant Act 1957. As such, if you are not registered with MIA you cannot call yourself as "chartered accountant" although you have completed your degree in accounting. I would say membership with MIA is a 'license' to act/practice/sign report as ACCOUNTANT (must get the membership no matter what).<BR/><BR/>However, in accounting profession registered with MIA is insufficient (we call this as "accountant with no professional qualification"). In additioan to MIA, professional accountants are also member of professional body such as CIMA, CPA Malaysia, ACCA and ICAEW (this group is the group what we call ad "professional accountant"). <BR/><BR/>My advice are:<BR/>Route 1 - get accounting degree from universities recognised my MIA. If you don't do that, you have to sit for special exam conducted by MIA, which is quite tough to pass, in order to be admitted to MIA.<BR/><BR/>Eg<BR/><BR/>May 2008 - register as accounting student with UM<BR/>May 2011 - completed degree in accounting<BR/>June 2011 - work in a reputable audit firm and sign training contract for ICAEW or MICPA (ACCA does not require such thing)<BR/>2011 - 2014 - sit for the exams (ICAEW/MICPA/ACCA/CIMA)<BR/>2014 - completed 3 years experience post degree and eligble to register with MIA - become chartered accountant ("CA (M)")<BR/>2014 - completed exam and training as well - become Certified Public Accountant ("CPA (M)")<BR/><BR/>so at the end of 2014, you have these letters after your name BAcc (Malaya), C.A. (M), CPA<BR/><BR/><BR/>Route 2 - You may choose to go straight to professional body such as ICAEW, MICPA, ACCA, CIMA but these bodies are specialised in accounting only. <BR/><BR/>May 2008 - register with ACCA<BR/>2008 - 2011 - sit for the exams<BR/>2011 - 2013 - completed the exam and work in a reputable audit firm or business organisation<BR/>2013 - since you have completed the exam and have the necessary working experience, you can register as member of ACCA (associate)<BR/>2013 - since you are a member of ACCA, you can also register with MIA (ACCA is a recognised body by MIA)<BR/><BR/>at the end of 2013, you have these letter after your name C.A. (M), ACCA (not sure about this)<BR/><BR/>You can get ACCA membership thru MICPA and vice versa. Please visit their respective web sites for details.<BR/><BR/>Conclusion:<BR/>It is easier to get an accounting degree than professional qualification (judging by the rate of student passed in every sitting). However, accounting degree do teach you in non-accounting area such as biz admin, corporate finance, economy as well as law. Not only that, in university you can mix with non-accounting students such as law, engineering, IT, Economy or Art and this will expand your friend-networking...Networking is important to your working life later <BR/><BR/>Make a wise decision..<BR/><BR/>Thank you..<BR/><BR/>AccountantAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-90319734052442373792008-03-29T13:48:00.000+08:002008-03-29T13:48:00.000+08:00Heh there wat u guys wrote are true & great...erm ...Heh there wat u guys wrote are true & great...<BR/>erm i'm currently an SPM leaver and wish to persue accounting...<BR/>Currently I'm not enrol to any uni yet..I'm confuse on which route shud i take:<BR/><BR/>academic way:<BR/>(foundation > degree in accountin & finance > ACCA [part 3])<BR/><BR/>or<BR/><BR/>professional way:<BR/>(CAT > ACCA) where after completing the ACCA part2 will be taught how to do a thesis and if manage to passed it wil obtain a degree in accountin from Oxford Brooke Uni.(Sunway Program)<BR/><BR/>My opinion is tat the academic way wil giv me a more diversify choices later on where i can further on finance (perhaps Financial Engineering) when the worst come if i don't enjoy doin accountin. But still I find out that the degree obtain thru the thesis will still be relevant if i wanna find jobs in the accountin or banking field. But i dunno wheter is eay to pass this thesis thing or not. Erm my uncle whom is an accountant in singapore advice me to go thru a normal uni life which is by takin a degree 1st and enjoy it. He fels tat goin thru this I wil be able to know more ppl eg, from different falculties. But still by takin the professional way stil I can meet up ppl from other falculties just that this program wud b reli hectic as the time allocated to finish the program is so short. If i were to take this route I hav the confident to pass all the papers in 1 go just tat I hav to put it real lot of effort. <BR/><BR/>So i really need some opinions from you guys whom hav more knowledge in this line..Which is the best route i shud take considering from all aspects?<BR/>If any1 wud to advice me to take the academic way plz suggest to me which private uni in M;sia wud be the best...<BR/><BR/>thanks a lot ya....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-71786874911306347062008-03-06T15:24:00.000+08:002008-03-06T15:24:00.000+08:00Do I consider as a chartered accountant if I follo...Do I consider as a chartered accountant if I follow this pathway:SPM-STPM-Bachelor of Accounting.Please tell me about this.Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-28542578685063747752008-02-10T00:40:00.000+08:002008-02-10T00:40:00.000+08:00Touche Alphonso. While what I have said still hold...Touche Alphonso. While what I have said still holds true, you have managed to highlight the flaws that have come abt due to the over simplification of the issues I discussed:<BR/><BR/>Effort and results always carry weight, and that is what everyone has to remember. <BR/><BR/>Different unis do have different standing(including overseas one), so say having a degree from UM might actually be better from some chekai o/seas uni(even a UK one).<BR/><BR/>Some fields do need pro degrees, while some dont(I'm doing accounting, and so that is one of the reason I choose a pro degree).<BR/><BR/>A holistic education in uni would mean going thru the whole cycle of 3/4 yrs of study in campus,etc,etc. Those external/virtual uni courses doesnt count.<BR/><BR/>At the end of the day, look at your capabilities, financial means and also, dont discount professional certificates simply because they're difficult. Tough does not mean undoable.<BR/><BR/>p.s. good article alphonso<BR/>p.p.s. in my comments, pro degrees mean the same as pro certificates.Chironjithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05704274876137674994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-90390151046409982592008-02-09T20:49:00.000+08:002008-02-09T20:49:00.000+08:00I would like to lay out some fields which require ...I would like to lay out some fields which require "professional certificate only" and also "degree-> professional certificate".<BR/><BR/>Professional certificates only:<BR/>- Accounting<BR/>- Business Administration (for company secretaries)<BR/><BR/>Degree -> Professional certificates:<BR/>- Doctor/Medicine<BR/>- Lawyer<BR/><BR/>=)Alphonso Tanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17345695534594377417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-48259697654501097262008-02-09T20:45:00.000+08:002008-02-09T20:45:00.000+08:00Chironjit,For cetain courses, you are not required...Chironjit,<BR/><BR/>For cetain courses, you are not required to have a degree to be a professional; and for these certain courses, even though you have a degree, or even a master or a PhD, you are not considered a professional yet. For example, accounting, and business admin.<BR/><BR/>If you think that a university is the one, and only the one which provides a holistic education, think again.<BR/><BR/>In Malaysia, private universities and also public as well, were doublefolded for the past few years. And if you look at those universities, almost every one of them is providing accounting, or business admin courses as well. So, if you considered that every graduates from the universities are professionals (of course, not to remember that some lecturers in the universities provide tips for the exam. Holistic??), which means that Malaysia is going to be flooded by professionals? Every one can sign an audit report? Every one can be a company secretary?<BR/><BR/>Of course, to be a professional for one of these courses, besides the local uni pathway (as what emogrande had said), you can choose to take and pass the qualifications listed in the first comment. Although it is more like a 100% based on the courses, but it also reflects the quality and also the effort in you. Bring your degree or your local university name to overseas, and see how much do they recognise it. Or eventhough you are studying abroad but at a not-so-famous university, let's say Liverpool John Moores University from UK, how much does it actually weights?<BR/><BR/>Of course, professional degree is always the first option. However, if you think you are good enough, I think a professional certificate will more likely ensure you a job and a good prospect for your future. =)Alphonso Tanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17345695534594377417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-43152023911024477192008-01-20T00:21:00.000+08:002008-01-20T00:21:00.000+08:00emogrande said it best, but I'd just like to add m...emogrande said it best, but I'd just like to add my 2 cents worth.<BR/><BR/>I'm a 'professional degree' student, and its my first degree. Why choose a professional degree? Merely thinking globally that is. <BR/><BR/>I wanted to study abroad, but that was too costly. Malaysian unis were out of the question, due to quality issues and lack of global acceptance. Mainly, I wanted something that would hold if I decided to move abroad.<BR/><BR/>Second is the perception that pro degrees are tough. It is. But in a world where everyone has a degree, you need to stand out, and this would give you an edge.<BR/><BR/>Now however, there's one thing that pro degrees lack that emogrande highlighted. That is, uni gives you a holistic education. You do non major-related subjects, and have extra-curricular activities, and of course, the atmosphere of living in the campus bring about its own set of experiences.<BR/><BR/>And so ultimately which is better? It all depends on you actually. Best thing would be a degree from an acclaimed uni abroad, but when that option isnt available, pro degree becomes an option.Chironjithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05704274876137674994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-83869932698163472562007-08-13T18:59:00.000+08:002007-08-13T18:59:00.000+08:00emogrande: Aha... Thanks pal. One word resolves ev...emogrande: Aha... Thanks pal. One word resolves every problem. =)Alphonso Tanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17345695534594377417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-12156336832028134882007-08-06T13:24:00.000+08:002007-08-06T13:24:00.000+08:00seriously, i think the term should be "professiona...seriously, i think the term should be "professional qualification" than just a word "professional". as could be seen from the comments published above, ppl have misunderstood the phrases altogether.<BR/><BR/>to be an accountant(which is a professional), students generally can take 2 pathways, a professional qualification such as CIMA, ACCA, etc, or the uni degree pathway, like a bachelor of commerce, bachelor of business majoring in accounting etc. <BR/><BR/>professional qualifications are some sorta fast-traack but very specific qualifications that are narrowly created for a specific job. it is highly rigid, and its either you pass and complete all modules or you do not attain the qualification and left with nothing. degrees, however, say, a bachelor of commerce, have a few core courses and after that its basically up to you to match or add whatever courses to your liking. some ppl who have interest in finance might want to add finance related courses, some are into accounting, then they do more of accounting, some are more into international business, so they major in international business. its reaally your degree and your design really, that is the flexibility of a uni degree, if you are finding it a hard time in finance, you can always change your major to something else, say, human resource management. there are also options of doing double majors, or major minors, with lotsa choices to choose from, ancient history to political science, french to film studies, classical greek to computer science, of course, the availability of courses depends whether your uni provides them or not.<BR/><BR/>professional qualifications like ACCA and the like are for those who are 100% sure of what they wanna study and are focused on the job they are expected to work in after they graduate, which is an accountant in this case, closing other doors or possibilities for exposure to other non-accounting courses.<BR/><BR/>and no, you do not become a doctor, lawyer etc by taking professional qualifications, but with uni degrees-MBBS/MD for docs and LLB/JD for lawyers. after you graduate and join the workforce as the above professions, you become a professional. see, there is no professional qualification involved here.<BR/><BR/>and no again, postgraduate degrees like masters and PhDs have no relevance whatsoever to professional qualifications.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-5932318363408656322007-07-18T20:12:00.000+08:002007-07-18T20:12:00.000+08:00I read that professional degree is one with a gove...I read that professional degree is one with a governing body, and the 3 classical professionals were doctors, lawyers and well, preists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-41782705632970957422007-07-04T20:53:00.000+08:002007-07-04T20:53:00.000+08:00Dear all,Degrees consists of many different types ...Dear all,<BR/><BR/>Degrees consists of many different types of qualification.<BR/><BR/>You have your most basic degree to the highest:<BR/><BR/>1) Bachelor Degree<BR/>2) Masters Degree<BR/>3) Doctorate Degree or what we call Doctor of Philosophy, abbreviated Ph.D).<BR/><BR/>However, the term professional are usually addressed to those who are undergoing their Postgraduate Studies (Masters) and above.<BR/><BR/>This is because many professionals (those who have made their name in the industry but coming back to further their studies) or professionals-to-be are coming back for a more challenging and analytical syllabus taught in the Masters program and above.<BR/><BR/>Thus, many universities, university-colleges, colleges as well as institutions will either continue using the usual identification of Degrees of they may opt for Professional Masters / Doctorate in the listing of programs.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps, if there is someone who can correct me if I may be wrong in this case.<BR/><BR/>Cheerio...william (wN) Ng | Remaining Humblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17044063615817517084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-55849025115912207662007-06-06T01:45:00.000+08:002007-06-06T01:45:00.000+08:00True, you need a degree to become a professional. ...True, you need a degree to become a professional. Professional qualifications are a step further in the career world. <BR/><BR/>It's just like students who opt for masters or doctorate degrees. Now, doctorate degrees portray professionalism in the academica world too. So, it's not just about lawyers, engineers, doctors or BMA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-10543479308407075622007-04-06T08:32:00.000+08:002007-04-06T08:32:00.000+08:00Umm, you need a degree first become you become a p...Umm, you need a degree first become you become a professional anyway. Rather than "degree or professional qualification" your title should be "what sort of degree".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-67920026080511426232007-04-04T23:11:00.000+08:002007-04-04T23:11:00.000+08:00tis post is damn gud. an eye opener to a lot of pp...tis post is damn gud. an eye opener to a lot of ppl out thr. double thumbs up!!!Melaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12442050224516478454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21960968.post-50906798291238707072007-03-11T10:36:00.000+08:002007-03-11T10:36:00.000+08:00Kudos for writing such an enlightening article, I'...Kudos for writing such an enlightening article, I'm sure many readers will benefit from it. I'd like to add some details to your great post.<BR/><BR/><B>Lawyer Qualifications</B>:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos053.htm#training" REL="nofollow">Read here</A>.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.witanjardine.co.uk/accountancy-jobs/qualifications.asp" REL="nofollow"><B>Accounting Qualifications</B></A>:<BR/>AAT - Association of Accounting Technicians<BR/>ACCA - Association of Chartered Certified Accountants <BR/>ATT - Association of Tax Technicians<BR/>CF – Corporate Finance Qualification<BR/>CFE - Certified Fraud Examiner<BR/>CIMA - Chartered Institute of Management Accountants<BR/>CIOT - The Chartered Institute of Taxation<BR/>CIPFA - Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy <BR/>ICAEW - Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales<BR/>JIEB/CPI – The Joint Insolvency Examination Board / Certificate of Proficiency in Insolvency<BR/><BR/><B>Engineering Qualification</B>:<BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Engineer" REL="nofollow">PE</A> - Professional Engineer<BR/><BR/><B>Doctor Qualifications</B>:<BR/>Read <A HREF="http://www.privatehealth.co.uk/privatespecialists/doctor-qualifications/doctor-qualifications" REL="nofollow">here</A> for all doctor qualifications.<BR/><BR/><B>Business Administration Qualification</B>:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.icsa.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34" REL="nofollow">ICSA</A> - Institute of Chartered Secretaries and AdministratorsChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03230637369559089966noreply@blogger.com